Find a Form

Brush & Leaf Pick-Up

Helpful Links

Staff

About Us

News

Road Updates

FAQ

Arts Alliance

Zoning Resolution Update

Jobs

Snow Removal

Upcoming Meetings

Runner's World

Rent Snyder House

 

 RSS:

 

DRAFT

Board of Zoning Appeals Meeting Minutes

May 8th, 2003

 6:30 PM – Trustee Meeting Room

 

CALL TO ORDER:                Cherry Linder, Chairman, called the meeting to order at  6:35 PM.

ROLL CALL:                          James Rinehart, Cherry Linder , Robert Bender, and Joe Thompson were present.  Pat Cain was absent.  Also present was township attorney, Doug Miller.

MINUTES:                              Minutes Board of Zoning Appeals, April 10, 2003.  

Discussion/                            There were no changes.  There was discussion on question marks in the

Recommendation                 minutes for an unknown date, in the last paragraph “journalized on ???? date”.  Ms. Linder seemed to think we should put in “such and such” in place of the question marks. 

                                                Motion                                    There was a motion_by James Rinehart to approve the minutes of April 10, 2003, as written.  There was a 2nd_by Robert Bender.

                                                                                                           

                                                Roll Call Joe Thompson-yes, James Rinehart-yes, Cherry Linder-yes, Robert Bender-yes

                                                The motion was approved.

 

RESOLUTION  2003-138   Kings School, 1797 King Avenue, Parking Lot

 

Discussion/                            Jenny Kaage made sure that “Exhibit A” was included as the last page of the

Recommendation                 resolution because that page contains the conditions.  Cherry Linder asked Jenny if she has plans for landscaping.  Jenny said part of zoning permit approval is that they must submit a landscaping plan.  Robert Bender asked about sidewalks not being required.  Jenny said sidewalks are not a requirement.  The township has a policy to recommend sidewalks.  Cherry Linder said that in the resolution it refers to construction and since this is a parking lot, there is no construction.  She asked why that reference was in there.  Doug Miller said that every resolution would have that statement and it is a standard item in there.

Motion                                    There was a motion by Robert Bender to approve Resolution 2003-138 as written. There was a 2nd_by James Rinehart.

 

Roll Call Joe Thompson-yes, James Rinehart-yes, Cherry Linder-yes, Robert Bender-yes

The motion was approved.

CASE 2003-181                   7923 Old 3 – C Highway, Countrywood, Ltd., Request for Conditional Use in R-SF for Country Manor Bed & Breakfast

 

Staff Report                           Jenny Kaage described this property and the proponent’s desire to seek approval in order to use it for a Bed and Breakfast, small weddings, and corporate retreats.  Jenny explained that this would be a conditional use under the Residential Single Family Zoning.  Jenny said in the event this proposal would be approved the staff recommends the approval be subject to 4 conditions.  Jenny went over the 4 conditions.  Ms. Linder asked the board for questions of Jenny.  There were none.

                                                Cherry Linder swore in those in the audience who would be giving testimony tonight.

Regarding this case, Ms. Linder said she would like to hear from the DTFR (Fire Department ) first.

Doug Weymeyer, Captain of the Deerfield Township Fire Department, said that they will be required to apply for a building permit from Warren County.  He said that he did visit the site.  Doug said it will be a hotel type business.  Smoke detectors must be in place.  A sprinkler system may not be required because of the way the buildings are spread out and the low numbers of persons in each building.  He said one of his concerns is having water to put out fires but there is a pond on the property which helps.  He said a “dry” fire hydrant can be installed; whereby, in a fire emergency the dry fire hydrant would draw water from the pond.  Doug is concerned also about the road and that the driveway up the hill would support the heavy weight of the fire trucks.  He also suggested guard rails on one area of the driveway which has a steep drop off.  Joe Thompson asked how far the pond is from the structures and Jenny Kaage said it is about 100 feet from the main structure. 

Proponent                             Peter Countryman, 7923 Old 3-C Highway, came forward and pointed out several buildings on the property and the location of the pond.  He also showed where the “dry” fire hydrant would be located.  Doug Wehmeyer said the “dry” fire hydrant would be installed according to fire code standards.  Mr. Countryman pointed out the part of the driveway which has a steep hill (drop-off) beside it and he said they would be willing to install guard rails there.

Doug said the fire department requirements would be as follows:  1) fire protection for the house, 2) insure that the driveway has load capability for fire trucks, 3) insure that there is sufficient turning radius for large vehicles, and 4) that the owner has an address posted at the street.

 

Proponent                             Elizabeth Joan Countryman, 7923 Old 3-C Highway, said that when they purchased this property 14 years ago there were stakes all over the property.  She said they do not  want this property to be developed into a subdivision.  She said they restored the 150 year old home and added a barn and a garden house.  She said that 40 people can fit in the garden house and it would be nice for small weddings and meetings.  Ms. Countryman said that development is coming.  Mr. Countryman mentioned several surrounding neighbors who he thinks would be interested in developing their property.

 

                                                Doug Wehmeyer, Captain of the Deerfield Township Fire Department, was asked to come back for questions.  Cherry Linder said she doesn’t think they should have weddings or large parties with the driveway situation there.  Doug said the fire department will make sure they will be able to get their apparatus up there and be able to turn around.  Cherry asked him about a crowd of 40 people.  Doug said that would be no more than the numbers they have at club houses in many of our neighborhoods.  Doug said they will be required to have a yearly inspection.  He said sometimes the fire department goes out on the weekends and visits these facilities to make sure they are in compliance with their numbers.  Doug said the pond is a valuable asset for fire safety.

 

Close Open Portion             Cherry closed the open portion of the meeting.

 

Discussion/                            There was discussion on viewing the property.  Robert Bender said if needed,

Recommendation                 Tim would set it up for them to go and view the property but he said he is happy to allow the county and the fire department do their jobs.  Mr. Bender asked Doug Wehmeyer if the fire department has to set occupancy limitations.  Doug said the county would set the number and the fire department would enforce it.  Cherry Linder said she e-mailed Jenny because she was concerned about this type of operation and what the code says on Residential Single Family requirements.  She sited some pages in the code (P 37 & 38) which refers to conditional uses.  Doug Miller said the problem would come if the weddings or groups disturbed surrounding neighbors.  Doug Miller said that this is an accessory use to the Bed & Breakfast if the wedding party stays there.  If they go there just for the wedding without staying then there could be a problem.  Jim Rinehart asked Doug Miller what type of zoning would allow this type of operation and Doug said probably a General Business zoning would work  Jenny Kaage stated that in the south the Bed & Breakfasts do this, weddings, receptions, business meetings, etc.  Robert Bender asked Mr. Countryman to come back for questions.  Mr. Bender asked Mr. Countryman if the primary intent for use for this property to operate a bed and breakfast or is your primary goal to have “events?”

 Peter Countryman, 7923 Old 3-C Highway, said his intent is for both. Robert Bender asked him how many events does he anticipate on holding each year?  Mr. Countryrman said as many as 20 events, 20 weekends.  Mr. Bender asked him how many nights does he plan to have it rented out.  Mr. Countryman said 365 days a year.  Mr. Countryman said for the events, there is a Garden House which has a bedroom to be rented but the rest of the building could be used for a meeting.  Cherry Linder asked Doug Miller if the zoning should be changed from Residential Single Family.  Doug Miller said that this is a conditional use.  Doug Miller said if there are complaints we would make the stipulation that the wedding party or patrons is staying at the bed and breakfast. eter Countryman said most of the time some of the rooms would be rented to the wedding party/family.  Doug Miller wondered if there would be weddings and nobody staying at the B & B.  Doug said we could approve the bed and breakfast and uses accessory to the bed and breakfast.  Ms. Linder asked if accessory use term kind of vague.  Doug Miller said he would write up.  Ms. Linder said the code refers to 4 units.  They have 5 units.  Doug Miller asked Mr. Wehmeyer if 5 units instead of 4 would make a different to the fire code requirements.  Mr. Wehmeyer said it would not make a difference.  He said this a very unique situation because the people are spread out over several buildings and not all in the same building. Doug Miller said as long as the wedding parties are staying there to spend the night there would not be a problem.  Robert Bender said he would be comfortable approving the resolution as written and let the township, the fire department, and the county do their job.  He said he wouldn’t worry about the 5th lodging area either.  Joe Thompson said he agreed.

 

Motion                                    There was a motion by Robert Bender to approve Resolution #2003-181 as written.  2nd _by Joe Thompson

Roll Call Robert Bender-yes , Joe Thompson-yes, James Rinehart,-yes,Cherry Linder-no

                                                The motion was approved.

 

NEW BUSINESS                 Jim Rinehart said that he was able to go to the trustees and get the interview process going for new board members.  Jenny Kaage said it is going to take a while because they have only interviewed four persons and there are several more to be interviewed.

 

ADJOURNMENT                 8:50 PM  Motion to adourn by Robert Bender__2nd__by Cherry Linder_

Roll Call Cherry Linder -yes, Robert Bender-yes, Joe Thompson-yes, James Rinehart-yes

The motion was approved.

                                                                                                                                                                      

 

________________________________________                  __________________________________________

Cherry Linder, Chairperson                      Date                        Pat Cain, Secretary                                       Date